Friday, February 12, 2010

thought of the day.398

Certainty is born of small minds.

16 comments:

Unknown said...

Are you certain?

john evans said...

Confident about many things but never certain.

homesicksooner said...

So you'd say you are certain of being confident about many things but never certain?

You certainly sound certain as opposed to being merely confident.

Hey John . . .

Thought I would quickly chime in. I haven't been able to read your blog as often as I'd like. My life has gotten exponentially busier since our last encounter.

I have a project I'm working on that you could be of assistance if you're willing. Perhaps we could meet sometime later in the spring to discuss.

Hope all is well.

john evans said...

Sooner,

Great to hear from you. Things are good. I am really enjoying the cycling. Feel "confident" I have figured out where the stories about Jesus originated and winter is going to be behind us soon--woohoo! Now if I can just talk my 19 year old daughter out of getting a tramp stamp! Sounds like you have lots on your plate...

To your comment...No, I would say I am confident. It is a deliberate philosophical position. I recognize that I cannot be certain about anything...yes, even that statement. However, I can be close to certain about many things. How can we be possibly be certain of anything when we can't be certain we are not the characters in some dream? Of course I don't think that is the case but hopefully you get my point.

Would be happy to get together and am intrigued by your project. Best of luck with juggling all your responsibilities!

homesicksooner said...

Just curious . . . have you parted ways with atheism?

The reason I ask is that atheism is no assertion of confidence but rather one of certainty.

john evans said...

Still very much an atheist as i THINK THAT IS THE ONLY HONEST POSITION TO TAKE WHETHER OR NOT A GOD OR GODS EXIST—ooops, sorry to yell, based on the available evidence.

However, I am not certain I am correct, merely confident. I feel it is unreasonable to claim with certainty that no God exists. I do think it reasonable to state with near certainty that all gods we know of have been made by man. For instance, I am quite confident (99.9% certain) that the God of the bible is basically a cartoon character). However, I do believe that all kinds of things exist which I have no way of comprehending and it is possible that things we would call a god do in fact exist.

homesicksooner said...

Are you certain that you "THINK THAT IS THE ONLY HONEST POSITION TO TAKE WHETHER OR NOT A GOD OR GODS EXIST" or just confident?

I just can't help it John.

Surely you see how self refuting this is?

Life without certainty is a logical impossibility.

When I read your posts, I see so much certainty is unbelievable.

homesicksooner said...

Another question about the comment. I am certain about many things. Are you saying that I have a small mind?

john evans said...

I am not sure why this is such a difficult concept to grasp. I seem to remember going around and around with you about this before.

I use a scale of probability upon which I place all propositions. The scale only goes to 99.9% probable at one end and 99.9% improbable at the other. So you tell me, how can I possibly be 100% certain about anything?

As to your question about your mind in particular. No, I would not say it is small. It seems you are quite intelligent. I think most all people would say they are certain about many things. But I think few people have really thought about such a statement on a deeper level. When one realizes it is difficult to even grasp what exactly “we” are, it becomes clear that any statements of 100% certainty are rather arrogant and the product of a mind if not small at least not thinking very large.

Unknown said...

I'm certain I'm female, I'm certain I have parents, I'm certain I live in Texas. I'm not sure how you can't be certain about things. Sure, I suppose you could say how do you know I even exist, but then for someone wanting to deal strictly with fact, that would be moving into the realm of the hypothetical.

john evans said...

Kelsie, It is completely reasonable for you to say you are certain of those things. When dealing with our day to day activities, saying we are “certain of such and such” is a much clearer way to communicate than the more ambiguous “I am confident”.

I am talking about a broader way of looking at reality—a more philosophical way. For me, “certainty” is like “absolute” and I just think animals of such limited perception as we are fooling ourselves when we talk of such things.

For instance, your comment about being female. Yes, no doubt you are. But on a deeper level, you are actually somewhere on the spectrum of male and female. There is no 100% male or female. In some people, the line is very blurry.

Unknown said...

"But on a deeper level, you are actually somewhere on the spectrum of male and female. There is no 100% male or female. In some people, the line is very blurry."

That's moving from iffy to ridiculous. I think it's iffy that you can't be certain about things, but your own gender? That's biology. Only in humans do we find men trying to be women and women wanting to be men; the rest of nature follows natural laws, as it should.

john evans said...

Well, there is lots of same sex behavior in the animal kingdom so I disagree with you about nature following natural laws (unless of course you consider same sex behavior natural). It is simply unusual—not the norm—but undoubtedly “natural”.

Do you recall the olympic sprinter that caused such a fuss this past summer olympics? “She” was competing with the women but people suspected she was a man. I heard a great program on that and they were explaining how sex is quite complex and nuanced. It is not just the visible parts that determine sex but chemicals. So many have suffered because of unclear or mixed sexual identities. Luckily we are beginning to be able to help these people with surgery, drugs, therapy, etc.

You imagine if your child was born with both male and female organs as some are? What would you do? It seems the only ethical thing is to let them grow up that way and let them decide what surgery (if any) they want to have after they are old enough to know if they are more male or female.

Unknown said...

So people's sexual preference is genetic, but their gender is their choice? Inconsistent, don't you think?

john evans said...

Not sure how you got that out of my comment. It seems in most cases sexual preference is mostly, if not completely, genetic. It seems obvious in certain cases such as abuse of one kind or another, environment can have an influence as well.

With modern medicine, gender is obviously something that can be changed--at least to a degree. How great is that? If your whole life you had the chemical makeup of one sex but felt trapped in the wrong body you can now have surgery to make you feel more whole.

Unknown said...

I didn't get it from that one comment, I just got it from the overall worldview I've heard from atheism.

I don't want to discuss this any further.