Cowardly Christ
Any average parent would lay down their life for their child. Yet when it was time for Jesus to “save” humanity from the hell of his own making via the plan of his own concocting, he prayed “fervently” to be excused, saying, “if you will, take this cup of suffering away from me. Not my will, however, but your will be done.” What a cowardly character! Jesus only “saves” us because his Father wills it. If it were left to him, we’d all go to hell.
Jesus had no problem asking his followers to suffer and die for him. He had no trouble designing fiendish ways to cause ETERNAL suffering for humankind. But he did not want to be bothered with a little temporary suffering himself. Is there a greater hypocrite in all of literature? He did not go to the cross willingly and triumphantly but merely obediently... like an abused child obeying his abusive father.
Luke 22:41-44 Matthew 10:16-23, 24:9 Mark 9:48
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So are you saying that anyone who would prefer not to suffer is a coward?
The passage you make light of is one of the most intimate prayers the Son prays to the Father. Jesus had a will just as you have a will. It was left to him and he chose the cross. Jesus is wresting with the suffering he will have to endure for you and me. Elsewhere in scripture we read about Christ's obedience (Romans 5:18-19).
It is so strange to me how you have to distort the meaning of scripture to argue against Christianity.
Did I say that? No.
Here is a scenario unlike any other in the history of the world. This Jesus character is well aware of the stakes. He made hell, he plans on torturing all of humanity in that hell for the crime of Adam and Eve’s disobedience and he has decided the only way to prevent that is for him to commit suicide on a cross.
He knows all things so he knows he is not really going to die. He knows he is only going to spend a few hours experiencing suffering that countless humans have experienced and what he expects his followers to experience for his sake. He knows in a short while he will be sitting comfortably on his throne being tended to by a flock of angels. Yet knowing all this he trys to get out of the deal. Some leader! Some Saviour!
As to Jesus having a will, he clearly did and his will was not to save you from hell. He wanted out of the deal. He clearly would rather avoid his own temporary suffering than save you from eternal suffering. His sky Daddy made him go through with it. He did not care about your pain but was merely obedient to the will of someone else. I guess if God willed it for him to jump off a bridge he would have done that as well. He is a Yes man not a savior. A puppet not a God.
Your conclusions can't be derived from the text itself. All of what you say is nothing more than reading your own presuppositions into the text.
Eisegesis vs. exogesis . . . putting meaning in rather than pulling meaning out.
Jesus didn't want to suffer, BUT HE DID! For you and for me. Who wants to suffer?
You are also arguing from silence. You should know that using a hypothetical to argue a point is a logical fallacy. You have pointed this out to me before.
We know what happened, and it happened because the Son willingly submitted to the father.
You are merely borrowing from Christianity, distorting the meaning to support your own presupposed conclusions.
The point is he did so not of his own will but of another’s. He did so despite his will, in contradiction to his will. Jesus willed that HE avoid suffering not you.
Of course all this points to the fact that the entire doctrine of salvation through his death was invented after the gospels were written. The Jesus character did not know that he was dying to keep people out of hell.
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